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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://comicsstructuralist.wordpress.com/2008/08/18/its-not-just-about-feminism-its-about-safety/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at an anime convention in Virginia a few years ago, and they forbid those signs because they fall under state laws for PROSTITUTION. Seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at an anime convention in Virginia a few years ago, and they forbid those signs because they fall under state laws for PROSTITUTION. Seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://comicsstructuralist.wordpress.com/2008/08/18/its-not-just-about-feminism-its-about-safety/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 02:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When I take my GF into any comic store I make sure and look over my shoulder and remind her that the guys that work at these places don’t get out much and don’t really know alot about women. She’s hot, and it’s a spontaneous freak out everytime.&quot;

No wonder some people download comics off the internet instead - why should a comics fan go out of her way and endure bad treatment by the staff in order to get comics when she can get the same comics in the comfort of her own home with less harassment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When I take my GF into any comic store I make sure and look over my shoulder and remind her that the guys that work at these places don’t get out much and don’t really know alot about women. She’s hot, and it’s a spontaneous freak out everytime.&#8221;</p>
<p>No wonder some people download comics off the internet instead &#8211; why should a comics fan go out of her way and endure bad treatment by the staff in order to get comics when she can get the same comics in the comfort of her own home with less harassment?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Cisco and Theresa--

Sorry I hadn&#039;t addressed your comments sooner.  Beginnings of the school semester are busy times.  Any rate...

Cisco:
I think everybody&#039;s pointed out the issues women have with comic shops, and I don&#039;t deny that&#039;s an issue.  I think the conventions are a bit more of a risk zone, because there&#039;s a much larger space and population involved.  There&#039;s just an attitude from too many people that conventions are a place to go to act on the impulse to take advantage of people.  

However, there needs to be a movement towards inclusion in fan culture, which goes all the way top-to-bottom.  Thanks for the comment :)

Teresa:
I agree, I think safety should come before the inevitable tendency to analyze or point fingers towards the cause.  I think there needs to be a movement focus towards an inclusive environment, women and minorities.  I like what Rachel Edidin&#039;s working on, CAHP, if you haven&#039;t heard about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Cisco and Theresa&#8211;</p>
<p>Sorry I hadn&#8217;t addressed your comments sooner.  Beginnings of the school semester are busy times.  Any rate&#8230;</p>
<p>Cisco:<br />
I think everybody&#8217;s pointed out the issues women have with comic shops, and I don&#8217;t deny that&#8217;s an issue.  I think the conventions are a bit more of a risk zone, because there&#8217;s a much larger space and population involved.  There&#8217;s just an attitude from too many people that conventions are a place to go to act on the impulse to take advantage of people.  </p>
<p>However, there needs to be a movement towards inclusion in fan culture, which goes all the way top-to-bottom.  Thanks for the comment <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Teresa:<br />
I agree, I think safety should come before the inevitable tendency to analyze or point fingers towards the cause.  I think there needs to be a movement focus towards an inclusive environment, women and minorities.  I like what Rachel Edidin&#8217;s working on, CAHP, if you haven&#8217;t heard about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for focusing on the safety issue. It seems people easily forget that women&#039;s taste for things like comics and comics conventions are shaped by brass tacks issues like safety, which unfortunately must take precedence over issues like interest or appreciation. If comics industry people want more women involved, they need to prove it, and step one is dealing with basic safety issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for focusing on the safety issue. It seems people easily forget that women&#8217;s taste for things like comics and comics conventions are shaped by brass tacks issues like safety, which unfortunately must take precedence over issues like interest or appreciation. If comics industry people want more women involved, they need to prove it, and step one is dealing with basic safety issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Cisco Velasquez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cisco Velasquez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;sigh&lt; - I&#039;ve been reading comics for twenty years now and sadly I see the stunted emotional behavior of many in the comics field. When I take my GF into any comic store I make sure and look over my shoulder and remind her that the guys that work at these places don&#039;t get out much and don&#039;t really know alot about women. She&#039;s hot, and it&#039;s a spontaneous freak out everytime. My Ex works at DC - we don&#039;t speak anymore - but I&#039;d really like to hear some of her stories.  Thanks for the post...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;sigh&lt; &#8211; I&#8217;ve been reading comics for twenty years now and sadly I see the stunted emotional behavior of many in the comics field. When I take my GF into any comic store I make sure and look over my shoulder and remind her that the guys that work at these places don&#8217;t get out much and don&#8217;t really know alot about women. She&#8217;s hot, and it&#8217;s a spontaneous freak out everytime. My Ex works at DC &#8211; we don&#8217;t speak anymore &#8211; but I&#8217;d really like to hear some of her stories.  Thanks for the post&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert O'Nale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert O'Nale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the very fascinating links.  I&#039;m a white male, so I can at least be sympathetically aware of sexual harassment and discrimination against white women, but it&#039;s much harder--although I&#039;m certainly as sympathetic--to perceive problems along the same lines for women of color.

As obnoxious as people carrying signs could be at Comic-Con, I couldn&#039;t imagine the grief an African-American guy would have received for carrying or responding to one of those signs.  White and male still sadly seems to be the default fan experience, with women grist for fantasy and objectification--women are the ones that dress in &quot;sexy&quot; costumes, while even men who dress in revealing costumes aren&#039;t truthfully considered to be &quot;sexy.&quot;

As an aside, Rachel--It&#039;s a shame I never got to say hello in San Diego.  I was trying to meet as many Comics Scholars List denizens as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the very fascinating links.  I&#8217;m a white male, so I can at least be sympathetically aware of sexual harassment and discrimination against white women, but it&#8217;s much harder&#8211;although I&#8217;m certainly as sympathetic&#8211;to perceive problems along the same lines for women of color.</p>
<p>As obnoxious as people carrying signs could be at Comic-Con, I couldn&#8217;t imagine the grief an African-American guy would have received for carrying or responding to one of those signs.  White and male still sadly seems to be the default fan experience, with women grist for fantasy and objectification&#8211;women are the ones that dress in &#8220;sexy&#8221; costumes, while even men who dress in revealing costumes aren&#8217;t truthfully considered to be &#8220;sexy.&#8221;</p>
<p>As an aside, Rachel&#8211;It&#8217;s a shame I never got to say hello in San Diego.  I was trying to meet as many Comics Scholars List denizens as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the link, and for continuing the conversation about something I think desperately needs more public discussion.

Probably worth noting that gender isn&#039;t the only factor that plays into sexual harassment at cons--women of color often find themselves facing a whole additional spectrum of nastiness and entitlement:

http://www.digitalfemme.com/journal/index.php?itemid=932
http://delux-vivens.livejournal.com/801997.html
http://delux-vivens.livejournal.com/805218.html

Which goes a way toward explaining the con organizers&#039; neglect of this issue so far. Until we&#039;re confronted with it, most of us never even see this stuff as needing to be explicitly forbidden, because it&#039;s so far beyond what we think of as acceptable behavior. And how much we recognize at all will depend on how much of it applies to us. Cheryl Lynn&#039;s story floored me, because she describes something I&#039;ve never had to deal with directly--which I&#039;d been privileged enough to able to cheerfully fail to notice until someone said &quot;Stop and look.&quot;

Which, at this point, is what we need to do. Con organizers (for the most part) aren&#039;t malevolent, but sometimes it takes that &quot;Stop and look&quot; to break through the haze of good intentions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the link, and for continuing the conversation about something I think desperately needs more public discussion.</p>
<p>Probably worth noting that gender isn&#8217;t the only factor that plays into sexual harassment at cons&#8211;women of color often find themselves facing a whole additional spectrum of nastiness and entitlement:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.digitalfemme.com/journal/index.php?itemid=932" rel="nofollow">http://www.digitalfemme.com/journal/index.php?itemid=932</a><br />
<a href="http://delux-vivens.livejournal.com/801997.html" rel="nofollow">http://delux-vivens.livejournal.com/801997.html</a><br />
<a href="http://delux-vivens.livejournal.com/805218.html" rel="nofollow">http://delux-vivens.livejournal.com/805218.html</a></p>
<p>Which goes a way toward explaining the con organizers&#8217; neglect of this issue so far. Until we&#8217;re confronted with it, most of us never even see this stuff as needing to be explicitly forbidden, because it&#8217;s so far beyond what we think of as acceptable behavior. And how much we recognize at all will depend on how much of it applies to us. Cheryl Lynn&#8217;s story floored me, because she describes something I&#8217;ve never had to deal with directly&#8211;which I&#8217;d been privileged enough to able to cheerfully fail to notice until someone said &#8220;Stop and look.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which, at this point, is what we need to do. Con organizers (for the most part) aren&#8217;t malevolent, but sometimes it takes that &#8220;Stop and look&#8221; to break through the haze of good intentions.</p>
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